PLANNING BOARD MEETING
CANAAN, NY 12029

JUNE 19, 2006



The meeting was called to order at 7:05pm. Ian Hooper was absent.

INFORMAL APPEARANCE BY CAMILLA SMITH FOR A 6 LOT SUBDIVISION ON ROUTE 22

Gary Skrinar would like to buy this property from Ms. Smith. He said the reason he wants to subdivide is to be able to build there, he needs to sell some of the land.

It is 164.22 acres and is jointly owned by Cim Smith, her sister Daphne Kellogg and brother Sydney Smith. The adjoining 5 acre parcel is owned by Cim Smith and that is where she resides. The last split on this parcel was in 1995 when Berkshire Farm purchased 60 acres.

Mr. Skrinar said they wanted to sell off parcel 1, 2 and 3. He would like to put a R.O.W. thru parcel 5 to get to parcels 3, 4, 5 and 6. Parcel 2 would only have access directly from Route 22 and they would have to put in their own bridge. Ron said the Planning Board cannot create a landlocked parcel (parcel 2). Amy said the Skrinars could build a bridge for access. Ron it would need DOT approval and that could be very difficult to get because the stream is too close to Route 22 at the point. Ron also said that a bridge permit from DOT would need to be obtained before the Planning Board approves the subdivision.

Donna questioned whether parcel 3 would have any access. Ron said yes from the R.O.W. The R.O.W. would be 60 feet wide and would be the road for the rest of the subdivision.

Frank Ambrosio drew the maps and wrote on the maps that the subdivision lots do not include the ROW acerage.. According to the map, the parcels are as follows:
Parcel 1-5.25 acres
Parcel 2-5.72 acres
Parcel 3-5.82 acres
Parcel 4-10.37 acres
Parcel 5-6.92 acres
Parcel 6- 130.14 acres

Ron said there should be a property owners association that owns the road and has to maintain it. The other option is to have each parcel own the R.O.W. that goes thru their land up to the centerline of the road.

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Mr. Skrinar said if the new owner of parcel 5 did not want the driveway off the R.O.W., they would have to put in a bridge with a driveway. Ron felt that would be a problem from DOT.

Ron suggested running the R.O.W. North along the property line between parcel 3 and parcel 1 to go into parcel 2 to give parcel 2 access. Then parcel 2 would not need a bridge or access from Route 22.

Mr. Skrinar said in parcel 4 and 5, there are limited areas where a house could be built.

The Board discussed the fact that the R.O.W. as shown ends in a steep area in parcel 6. The Board said it needs to end in a cul-de-sac for emergency vehicles to turn around. Don said it may need a pull off area as well.

Ron got out the driveway/road specs to see what the requirements were for grade. He said it can’t be more than 8% for the road. Driveways can be 15% grade.

Mr. Skrinar said parcels 1, 2 and 3 have been perked per their engineer but not by the Department of Health. Also, parcel 2, 4 and 5 would need a raised septic system.

There is a brook and a pond on the property and were shown on the map. Don asked if there were any more wet areas. Mr. Skrinar said there is a small creek in parcel 6 that runs only in the Spring.

Mr. Skrinar asked if there were any specifications for the road. Ron said they should go to the Town Clerk and get a copy of the 1988 Road Specs.

Amy asked if there was a small portion of the property in New Lebanon ? Mr. Skrinar said yes, maybe, but it is in dispute. Don said there is a new law that says an abutting Town has to be notified of any subdivision that will occur nearby.

Items that need to be redone or are outstanding: where the driveways will be, grade profile, permission from DOT for curbcuts, DEC approval, NYSEG’s pole lines and some of the abutting property owners listed on the map are wrong.

This will be tabled until the Board hears from the applicants.





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REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE MAY 15TH MINUTES

MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED-Ron Davis Second-Joe Davis
All in Favor

Roll call Chairman Malin-yes
Amy Lundy-yes
Pierre Gontier-yes
Joe Davis-yes adopted
Ron Davis-yes
Donna Knight-yes



Correspondence

Don said he had 2 letters he wanted added to the list. One was from Dave Cooper and one from John Stelling. Copies of these letters had been distributed to the Board members before this meeting.

Ron said he took exception to John’s letter and then read aloud from the ZBA minutes. Ron said the Planning Board worked on it for years and the ZBA did absolutely nothing. He said John is totally wrong. Ron said just because the ZBA spent several hours in 1 year, that does not reflect what the Planning Board did.

Don said John is wrong in that what Lois came back with does reflect what the Planning Board said. Ron feels John misrepresented it.

Don said the basic concern in of Dave Cooper’s letter is the Planning Board’s proposal for lot frontage and minimum lot width.

List of correspondence

1. Letter from Dave Cooper ( no date) to the Town Board re: zoning changes.
2. Letter from John Stelling dated 4/7/06 to the Town Board re: zoning changes.
3. Letter dated 5/16/06 from D. Malin to Victor Meyers of Rapport, Meyers, Whitbeck, Shaw and Rodenhausen re: BLA between Columbia Land Conservancy and Chet/Mary Blass.




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4. Order to remedy the situation from Pat Pulver to Billy Kie re: unauthorized gravel bank.
5. Letter from the Dept.of Health dated 5/26/06 to Dave Meppen re: septic system
for the new building (food establishement).
6. ZEO report-May 2006
7. ZBA minutes-March 28, 2006
8. Talk of the Towns-May/June 2006 issue.


Additional business

Randy Gillespie was in the audience and said the Chairman told him he was on the agenda. Don said he did not say any such thing. Mr. Gillespie left the meeting.

Ron said the ZBA gave Curt Morris a variance for a new garage based on the fact it would cost too much for fill. Ron said if it had been at the required setback, it would not have much grade. Ron said it is a shame to allow it where it is being built.


MOTION TO ADJOURN- Pierre Gontier Second-Donna Knight
All in Favor

The meeting was adjourned at 8:00pm.






Respectfully submitted,


Tammy C. Flaherty
Planning Board Clerk

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